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Post by styrenesurfer on Mar 9, 2018 15:56:41 GMT -6
Thread title taken from an Oct. '67 Drag Strip magazine article. My attempt at the Souza Bros. and Dad Mustang. Based on the AMT Mustang-GT Funny Car reissue, and a lot of evergreen styrene. This all started out as an idea to make some corrections to this ancient kit and it just snowballed from there.  |
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Post by david on Mar 9, 2018 16:04:58 GMT -6
I blew up the picture styrenesurfer and at that size, you are not foolin' when you talk about the scratch building! Very nice work so far on this "Stang! And  , you are also correct. . . I can't count how many times I just wanted to make a "few" corrections and adjustments and ended up pretty much fabricating most of the car!! When you are a "builder" and not just an "assembler", those things just happen! |
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Post by styrenesurfer on Mar 9, 2018 16:37:52 GMT -6
Thanx David... Turns out just about everything has to be scratch built, including decals. Someone told me that they remember seeing them available long ago. Finding a good ford 427 was a challenge and also a reasonable C6 trans. (that was sourced from the Moebius Ranger pickup. It did have to be shortened tho because it was longer than any documentation I could find on this particular transmission. Here is another shot, motor mock up, and front rear axle mock up used for location only.  |
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Post by david on Mar 9, 2018 17:13:37 GMT -6
That is some wicked set-back on the motor and any time that happens, watch out because that means a lot of other things usually have to be adjusted for it! I "googled" up some photos of the car and it is definitely going to be a show-stopper!!
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Post by styrenesurfer on Mar 10, 2018 1:21:56 GMT -6
It was one of the last steal bodied (fiberglass front) cars of the time.
Ive found just about all info from the net on it and it was constantly changing.
I guess the rules were changing fast back then and so the car evolved.
One thing I don't understand is the (two) brake pedals.
Look at the second picture included is the old magazine page.
It appears there are two brake pedals, what would be the reason for this.
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Post by 41chevy on Mar 10, 2018 9:20:28 GMT -6
I would bet you look at the rear axle you may see a pair of calipers on each side, a separate master for each set. Close pedals to use either 2 or 4 calipers to slow it with one foot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 11:51:04 GMT -6
First off, I'm really going to watch this build closely. This is another early funny car and those are what I consider to be the best of the funny cars. For some reason I'm locked into the earlier days of the sport, and funny cars that actually resemble the door slammer version interest me a whole lot more than the newer versions. Then, I'm going to throw something out there about the dual brake pedals. I have no idea if this was ever done in a race car so take this with a grain of salt, please. I drove pulling tractors for a while several years ago. As all of you "farm boys" know, two wheel drive tractors had separate brake pedals to control either the right or left side brakes. Is it possible that was the purpose of the dual pedals in some race cars? I searched for photos of the Souza Bros Mustang and found a few with the front wheels in the air. Were these guys "steering" the car with independent right/left braking? Feel free to shoot me down, just not too hard.  |
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Post by 41chevy on Mar 10, 2018 19:28:36 GMT -6
Souza's never used the chute, the brake system apparently used two masters , one for the rear brakes and one that worked the small disc brakes on the front axle only, kind of a home build line lock. Blow the top pic up on the last page of the mag article, yo'll see a small Hurst/Airhart rotor behind the front wheel.
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Post by Pete L on Mar 10, 2018 19:50:19 GMT -6
I still see the decals on the auction site occasionally...
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Post by 70sprostockfan on Mar 10, 2018 20:29:19 GMT -6
This is going to be one of those unbelievable models when finished. Who were those decals done by ?
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Post by 70sprostockfan on Mar 11, 2018 10:30:29 GMT -6
Souza's never used the chute, the brake system apparently used two masters , one for the rear brakes and one that worked the small disc brakes on the front axle only, kind of a home build line lock. Blow the top pic up on the last page of the mag article, yo'll see a small Hurst/Airhart rotor behind the front wheel. Cool I never heard of such a thing but it makes sense. Thanks for the educating! |
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Post by dogfish7 on Mar 12, 2018 10:14:22 GMT -6
Lookin good!
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Post by styrenesurfer on Mar 12, 2018 15:12:28 GMT -6
Souza's never used the chute, the brake system apparently used two masters , one for the rear brakes and one that worked the small disc brakes on the front axle only, kind of a home build line lock. Blow the top pic up on the last page of the mag article, yo'll see a small Hurst/Airhart rotor behind the front wheel. 41chevy... That is interesting info, but I am struggling to see what you describe. Looking at other photos Ive rounded up (including one with the chute open) I'm wondering if you might have some documentation to base this from that I haven't found? I should have done My homework before starting this (Getting together correct parts; wheels,tire's,e.t.c.) I am thinking maybe to build it as a typical drag racer from the era and not specifically the "Souza" car. that would give me the freedom to use parts I have and speed things up. I really have got other builds I wish to get started. Already have an idea for a cool "could have been" livery.  |
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Post by 41chevy on Mar 12, 2018 18:19:08 GMT -6
Souza's never used the chute, the brake system apparently used two masters , one for the rear brakes and one that worked the small disc brakes on the front axle only, kind of a home build line lock. Blow the top pic up on the last page of the mag article, yo'll see a small Hurst/Airhart rotor behind the front wheel. 41chevy... That is interesting info, but I am struggling to see what you describe. Looking at other photos Ive rounded up (including one with the chute open) I'm wondering if you might have some documentation to base this from that I haven't found? I should have done My homework before starting this (Getting together correct parts; wheels,tire's,e.t.c.) I am thinking maybe to build it as a typical drag racer from the era and not specifically the "Souza" car. that would give me the freedom to use parts I have and speed things up. I really have got other builds I wish to get started. Already have an idea for a cool "could have been" livery. Click the image and than click it again to full screen. I pointed it out. Hurst-Airhart "creaper" disc brake set up. Paul  |
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Post by styrenesurfer on Mar 12, 2018 20:34:44 GMT -6
I have to be honest, That is a new piece of information for me. don't know how I missed it. Thanx Paul. This version of the car is kind of interesting, they lengthened the front wheelbase but not the body as you would normally see.  My build is just before that. W/leaf spring front end and simple roll cage. I think they had a basic car from the beginning, lot's of info show that they where just adding on. In the end they had one of the last cars like this.  |
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, you are also correct. . . I can't count how many times I just wanted to make a "few" corrections and adjustments and ended up pretty much fabricating most of the car!! When you are a "builder" and not just an "assembler", those things just happen! 
